The GeniusVets Show: The $100K Paperwork Problem: And How to Solve It

Veterinary practices are losing $100K+ annually per doctor from documentation inefficiency alone. Join GeniusVets Co-founder, David Hall, with Adam Sawyers and Taylor Brownrig, Manta co-founders, as they reveal the hidden costs of paperwork and demonstrate how AI can help doctors reclaim 10+ hours per week. Real solutions, real ROI. 

Transcript

Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the Genius Vet Show for veterinary practice owners and industry pros. I'm your host, David Hall. And as always, I have found some of the most interesting people that I've met a long time in the industry, and I just wanted to bring them on to our webinar podcast, introduce them to you, Adam Sawyers and Taylor Brownrigg, founders of Manta, a veterinary workflow assistant. It's really making waves and getting some great recognition and feedback from people around the industry. So, hey, without any further ado, Adam, Taylor, thanks for joining the show.

Yeah. Of Thank you, David. Yeah. Really appreciate it. We're excited to be here.

Outstanding. I love it. I love what you guys are doing. Why don't you guys start off by telling me a little bit about, you know, how you came up with this, what you're doing, you know, what's the nexus? Where did you when did you start and how did you get to where you are today?

Yeah. Great question. So we've been doing this a couple years now and we started based on seeing firsthand experience from my fiance Kelly who's a veterinary doctor and works in the ER hospital. She'd be here right now but she's actually saving lives as we speak.

So basically what happened is Kelly and I started living together. I noticed she was taking a lot of documentation home, you know, working twelve, sixteen hours at a shift coming home after an overnight typing notes for hours and hours and the thought was like this is crazy, you're a doctor why are you typing after all that work? So Adam and I have known each other for a long time. We went to undergrad together, so we've known each other for about fifteen years at this point and just started kind of formulating how can we solve this problem. This would be like two and a half years ago now and Adam's expertise in software, we really leaned on that to just create, you know, a solution that vets really want, and here we are now.

That is fantastic. That's that's really the best way to come up with any product, right, is number one, industry insider. Like the actual target person who's using it, who's feeling the pain, recognizing that, saying there's gotta be a better way to do this, finding a solution, bringing it about, making it happen, putting in the hard work. I love it.

It's a fantastic story. I dig it. So let let's dive into the product because current talk in the industry right now is about seventy percent of veterinarians are experiencing burnout, which is the highest of any industry. Right?

I've heard you guys say that veterinary practices are likely losing a hundred thousand dollars a year or more per doctor per year just from this documentation inefficiency alone. Can you break down what's the hidden cost that like, what does that hidden cost really look like for a typical veterinary practice?

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That's a great first question. So that six figure number surprises people, but when you actually break it down, it's it's pretty conservative.

So let's talk some real numbers. The average veterinarian spends two to three hours per day on medical records. So that is ten to fifteen hours per week, which is time that they could be seeing patients and obviously generating revenue. So, you know, here's the math.

If a vet produces five hundred thousand dollars in annual revenue but spends twenty five percent of their time on paperwork, that's one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars in potential opportunity loss per doctor. So you multiply that across a team of even just like three to four vets and you're looking at over four hundred thousand dollars in opportunity cost.

Yeah, and it gets worse. So like we've all seen that there's a higher demand on vets in just in the general industry with higher caseloads, higher costs, just more thrown at them. This increased workload decreases productivity so you're actually like getting less from more. So we all know that records are required obviously, but they can and sometimes do fall through the cracks. Like if I've got to choose between saving an animal or typing a note, you know, the choice is obvious. Right? But when that doesn't get input, you know, poses liability risk to both the business and the vet themselves.

So, you know, that's that's one of the reasons why we built Manta in the first place, you know, to help my fiance Kelly and her friends in the whole industry save time and we found that users save like ten plus hours a week, which equates to not just time but it's also recapturing revenue for the business, mitigating risks, even as knock on effects for personal lives. So, you know, one of our clinic partners I think said they've saved over two hundred thousand dollars just in time savings alone from improved efficiencies. That doesn't even count like better morale at the clinic. And then obviously one of our favorite quotes is that a customer of ours now has time to get home to put her son to bed.

She didn't have time before because she'd always be staying late typing hours and hours of notes, and that's kind of, the reason we started doing this. So it's, Mance is more than just a simple transcription tool, it's designed to help clinics reclaim their time and revenue and give veterinarians their lives back.

I love that. Such a good mission to do. It's also to me, honestly, it's insane that a doctor would go and be having all of these really in-depth, intricate, you know, detailed conversations regarding the, you know, the exams, procedures, diagnosis, outcomes, recommendations, and all this and essentially keep that in their head throughout all these appointments till the end of the day and then go and take the notes. I mean, I've got a pretty decent brain and memory and everything. But I'm honestly, I'm a bit impressed when I go out, you know, to a large dinner at a restaurant and you get one of those waiters who's taken twelve people's orders and not putting it in.

Oh, yeah.

A little bit impressed, but also a little bit sure that, like, okay, who's They're gonna come back to the table. The right thing that they ordered. Right? Because, like, that's a lot to remember.

And then you got I mean, so leaving all that information in the day. And it's not only they can stop during the middle of the day because they're just getting pulled from one room to the next and being efficient. There's so much going on.

So, I mean, this to me is just such an absolutely necessary thing, from a quality standpoint.

So so incredible. So so this is the the industry in this in this niche has been has been, you know, kinda rising. There's several AI scribing tools that have entered the veterinary space. What makes Manta different? Most importantly, why should clinic managers choose Manta over other solutions that are out there?

Yeah. It's a great question. That's one we get asked a lot. Obviously, there's a ton more players in the space than two and a half years ago when we started, but basically we've always built Manta to address three problems.

These three problems are what veterinarians care about most and what a lot of other solutions are getting wrong. So first and foremost, pricing. You're talking about a hundred and fifty to a hundred and eighty dollars a seat from competitors where we, Amanta, charge only sixty dollars a month per bet. So that's less than half the price, same functionality, know, same tools, plus we give free onboarding and quick customer service.

So from an ROI perspective, it's crystal clear. It's super easy to get started, and feel like you're not taking a risk. Also from the medicine side, accuracy. That's a non negotiable in Vetmed.

We all know this. Right? We built specifically for veterinary terminology from day one, understanding, you know, our model understands things like Apoquel reformats mgs per kg to mgkg, you know other terms that Adam and I can't pronounce which is why we have veterinarians, on our advisory board that have been you know helping us drive this thing from day one just to ensure that we have clinical accuracy and we're building a product that vets can actually trust.

We also hear consistently that Manson does better with medical terminology than a lot of other software.

Yeah and then on top of that we also have workflow integrations. We know that if a tool doesn't fit into existing work flows, it just won't get adopted no matter how good it is. So Manta works on both mobile and desktop, and it functions as a true bolt on solution. So you're not ripping and replacing, you're just adding. So doctors can dictate while examining patients, during procedures, or even after hours, whatever they feel most comfortable with, whatever their clients feel most comfortable with. So the record is done by the time the patient leaves the exam room. So very incredible stuff.

Yeah, that's really amazing. Nailing the terminology, know that's really kind of the crux issue of any. You can't get past that if it's not nailing that, there's no more moving forward.

And I've heard a lot of doctors talk about that. So really impressive that your solution is being cited as the most accurate when it comes to medical terminology.

So let me ask the next most important question when it comes to adoption. What PIM systems are you guys working with and how do you handle that integration?

Yeah. So that's conversation we've been having with a lot of the various PIM systems.

So we do work with a lot of the big ones, you know, EasyVet probably being the big one, but we have a few others under our belt as well. We built the product to be PIMs agnostic, so it really works well with any of them. So while we don't have any direct API integrations yet, the extension integration as well as the web app had proven to be a very low friction point for our customers. So you can copy over an entire case note in just one to two clicks, which is no time at all. Then while we work to create these full PIMS integrations, you're still saving several hours a week of what would otherwise be you typing on a computer instead of treating patients.

Ask yourself, which is the better workflow? Do you still want to type all of your notes manually, directly into your PIM system, or do you want to just transfer them over in a few seconds after Manta does all the heavy lifting?

Yeah. I mean, and honestly to me, again, it goes back to maybe it's because in college, I waited tables for a minute, you know? So I remember how hard it is to remember every little bit of that big complicated order. I can't imagine.

Okay. What if you went through your entire shift and all of everybody you're talking to and then you try to do it? And there's just no way. That's tough.

That's asking a lot. And carrying around those open loops in your mind raises stress level, and there's all sorts of other things. So I mean, I I I think that if you can go from that's what your end of the day is to the end of the day is just like click, click, click, click. Exactly.

It's not that's that's incredible. But I still like, we've talked about it, and I've talked to you guys about it before.

But the thing I'm still not completely saying is what are the actual steps a doctor would take in working with Manta? What does that work like?

Beyond these core differentiators that we've been talking about, Manta offers a full suite of AI powered tools, customizable templates for different practice types and different record styles. We have document summaries, generated differential diagnoses and even a built in AI assistant for clinical questions and a whole slew of other features that we have. So rather than tell you, let's just go ahead and show you.

Yeah, let me share my screen and walk you through it. Can you guys see the dashboard?

Yeah. Yep. There we go.

That's good looking.

Great. Yeah. So this is the Manta dashboard. This is the web app. Like we talked about before, works on any device, so iPhone, iPad, desktop computer, whatever's in the exam room you can log into Manta. You can use it to record in just a couple clicks, you can record straight from the dashboard and just start recording and record your exam and then later put it in whatever case you want or you know if you want to have your workflow kind of all set up, you can set up all your cases beforehand, all your patients beforehand, and assign the recording afterwards.

I'm just going to delete this because that's going to be nonsense but you can easily do these actions create cases, view cases, jump into wherever you need between this and the sidebar. So I'm just going to jump into kind of an example case that we've had before, is Minnie Mouse, which is a bee sting. This is a record that Kelly created as a demo just to kind of test things out. So we always keep, you know, your direct transcripts, even all the ums and all the ahs.

You can play back the audio if you wish right after. We just do this so that you always have transparency about what's going into Manta. You can edit this if something gets misspelled or if you want to add something in. You can always like, you know, change the spelling of the name or something like that.

So you can do that directly, but the real power comes when you generate a template. We have a library of pre built templates that we load in every account. There's system templates that anybody can use and you can use up to five templates in a case. You can create your own versions of them and we just try to get you started off on the right foot.

So once you've recorded, then you populated the template. We've got two different styles here.

You'll see that it generates a full SOAP, off of a two minute recording where you've got, you know, presenting history, physical exam, which includes your default normals that you Hold on a second.

So you have the recording of the exam and then you just click the template and it essentially took that recording of the exam, translated it and just formatted it automatically as SOAP notes.

Is from one click.

That's awesome.

Yep. Yeah. So that this is where, like, again, we said Manso does the heavy lifting intentionally because we put a lot of effort into getting the templates to where they will take that short recording and parse it out and put it in a format that you want. The format's also fully customizable, so things like, you know, default normals here where if abdomen isn't mentioned I want it to say no palpable masses, etc. That's something each user can customize to the language they want.

So they can do that completely on their own.

Know, it also lists out the problem list, client communication, diagnostics, and one of the real things we're proud of in MANTA is that we process the info for different use cases. So we have things in medications like that I call doctor speak where it's got po q8h for one to two days that if you said that to a client they have no idea what that means, but obviously for the record that's pretty clear. Then if you jump down to the discharge instructions, the medications are formatted for the client saying, you know, your medications you're going home with is Benadryl, twenty five milligram tablets, one by mouth every eight hours for one to two days, here's what it's for.

So from that same recording, that one note, you're getting all this info formatted in the way that you want, completely customizable.

And what's crazy is like you don't have to do a SOAP note because we know not every case is a SOAP. So here's our example for a rounding template if you just wanted to do kind of like a handoff.

And what you'll notice here is that there's some blank info and that's intentional because we don't ever do predictive medicine with your recordings. So we're not vets and we know that and we're not trying to replace any vet, you know, terminology or expertise. If you don't talk about it in the record, we don't populate in the template, so you don't ever have to worry about us doing guesswork and getting something wrong and it affecting your clinical accuracy.

So yeah, so once everything's populated, like Adam mentioned, it's one click to copy and paste into your PIM system. You can either do the entire template or you can do section by section or you can use our Chrome extension which pops up as a sidebar. So when you're in your actual PIMS window, you're seeing the same thing.

And if this is your if this is your easy bet or, you know, Cornerstone or whatever, you can just copy direct here and go in and paste.

All this stuff again is fully editable, so after it's generated you can put in, you know, ABC clinic or whatever.

Totally customizable as well.

But then, like Adam mentioned, it's not just transcription templated workflows and things like that. We've also added stuff like generated differentials, visit summaries that you can print to a PDF and send to a client. We even have document summaries where you can take a referring vet record, upload it, and review past pertinent history and stuff like that. So this is an actual record of of our dog Maggie and her clinical history.

It's got diagnostic results, exams, all kinds of good stuff that we pull out to just, again, give vets time back, make clinics more efficient. We even have, you know, an AI assistant that helps you generate a care plan. You can ask it about what's in this document, when was the last time they were vaccinated for x y and z, you know, all kinds of stuff that we we're really just trying to, again, make it simple, make it intuitive, make it adaptable to every workflow and it's built to, you know, get started in a couple minutes and just kind of save you time immediately.

Really just get started in a couple minutes.

Yeah. Yep. Exactly.

It's that It's onboarding and stuff.

And also when you were going through that, you mentioned kinda early in the demo there, there was a section where you're like, hey, they didn't ask about, you know, the abdomen or they didn't talk in the notes about the abdomen mass. So but that was something that seems like it could be customized to put certain things in there, you know, based on rules that they set up or something like that. If somebody this is, so many platforms can do, you know, so much more than people know about or like end up using. You know, what kind of support do they get?

Do, you know, do your your clients get in in taking advantage of those things and setting them up and all of that to get to where they're, you know, the unique Great question and that's something that we pride ourselves in, is getting people set up for success right away.

So you can get started in minutes or you can schedule a call with us and do free onboarding and it's kind of we walk you through getting stuff to look the way you want on the way out. So we again we have a bunch of system templates that'll help you get started. So you can use these just from the get and for instance this is the SOAP template we were just looking at or you can customize it and then hop on a call and say hey I want it to look like this on the way out, how do I get it there and we'll just work through it with you. So we really pride ourselves on that on that customer support.

Yep. And we're super accessible. You see that little dot in the bottom right corner? You just hit that and that goes straight to us. You can ask us any questions, any if you need any clarification, we're we're always happy to help.

Beautiful. That's so good. So Yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, implementation and adoption in a practice, what does that what does that really look like? I mean, know managers are really busy. They can't afford, you know, complicated rollout and everything. You you said that it's really quick to implement.

Walk us through that.

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. So we've been building this solution for two years and are fully self funded like Taylor had kind of alluded to.

We're really building for the long term and we're always listening to our customers for feedback and building features that they want, including making the implementation times and the onboarding a lot more easier and just user friendly and intuitive.

Yeah, with that, this is where Manta really shines and again like I said, it's by design. We've been implementing this to really just be as easy and adaptable as possible.

So first up is, like we've been saying, veterinarians can start using Manta in under five minutes. There's no complex setups like we give you all those templates to start out with, There's no infrastructure requirements, and there's really no workflow disruption. So we have an automatic free trial with, no credit card required, no strings attached, so anyone can test it out, for free with, you know, completely risk free. So implementation is as simple as recording the case note, customizing your, library of templates to fit your style if you want, and then, just letting Manta work his magic nice and easy.

So additionally, we have this adoption flywheel effect. So we see this pattern across practices of all sizes. So one doctor will try MANTA and they absolutely love it, and then they go tell their colleagues who then they'll create a team within Manta, so that lets them share cases and patients and templates. And then so within weeks, the whole practice wants access.

Then at the same time, management also sees how much more efficient the folks using it are, and they also want the whole practice on it, especially because they are able to simplify the whole implementation process with things like centralized team billing and having everyone on the same team sharing the same data. So this creates both a top down and bottom up adoption, which when combined with that clear ROI that Taylor was talking about earlier, it makes Manta just a no brainer for decision makers. So like I said, we've seen this play out at full practices from corporate groups to mid sized clinics to smaller private practices.

So we've had multiple individual doctors from big name chains adopt Mana independently, which then drives that practice wide interest.

Yeah, and again, it's not like we just hand you the software and it's like, good luck. Right? So we're always setting you up for success. The emphasis is on let's get you started, let's get it working the way you want it to, and we've seen that impact daily from real vets and real feedback.

Know, a couple of my favorite quotes is one we had one recently that said, I don't know how I would have survived the last year without it, and another that's been using us for a couple years now that says, I haven't taken a record home since I started using Manta. And that's, like, the kind of success story we started Manta to create, obviously, for, you know, selfishly me, for Kelly, so I could spend more time with her, and Adam as well. And and, you know, creating that success story is the kind of life change that drives word-of-mouth from the individual level and and then wider adoption. So from our view, for practice managers, for decision makers, the math is really straightforward. There's easy implementation, there's low cost, immediate time savings, doctor satisfaction, improved document quality, and improved client satisfaction.

You know, dollars sixty a month is about as minimal a risk as you're going to get and you get ROI and we're talking like minutes, not weeks.

That's awesome. And so is this, it's all web based. It's not something they need to install even if they have like Correct. And all that sort of stuff. Like that doesn't matter. They just, they, and they run it on their, on laptops or on their phone. Would assume they're in, in the exam room, they're just kind of activating on their phone and then talking through while their phone's sitting in their pocket or something.

Yeah, basically it works on any device, Android, Apple, laptop, desktop, iPad, tablet, Surface, whatever you got. Anything that's got internet and a microphone basically. So as long as you're hooked up to the clinic Wi Fi, you can record.

Nice. Nice. Yep. So cool. Okay. So alright. Here's a question that I've got for you.

This is the is this is the threat question because Oh. You know, you guys are up against, you know, obviously there's a lot there's there is talk. There's speculation that that PIM systems themselves are eventually gonna roll out NativeScribe solutions, that are already built into their platform. Right?

So, what are your thoughts on that?

Yeah. I mean, that's a fair question. You know, why why not just wait? We we totally understand that line of thinking, but our experience has been that these PIMs organizations are doing the native scribing tools more to just like check a box and not actually to build a complete solution.

So the ones that have already rolled out, we've heard direct feedback saying they don't actually meet the vet's needs in terms of, you know, either performance or customization, things like that. So our whole focus is, our only business focus is on improving document efficiency. It's not just scribing tools. It's not just transcription, you know, document summaries, differentials, visit summaries, AI assistant.

And then the other thing is just like where, you know, large PIMS organizations like the IDEXX's of the world are building native scribes amidst, you know, they've got thousands of internal requests and external requests and this laundry list of stuff they got to build. You know, we're live, we're mobile, we're nimble, and our whole thing is just like we're laser focused on getting this out to as many vets as possible.

Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I mean, and I can tell you, there's a reason why so many of the PIM systems are, you know, so antiquated and looking so old. They're not exactly bleeding edge companies. Let's be honest, you know.

That's that's our Exactly. Yep.

It could really could take them a while to to come around, and even get serious about testing it, let alone, like, perfecting it. I'll tell you what, you know, we spent a long time. We spent two years working on a solution where for our call recording where it recognized the the front end, the symbol, the receptionist conversations where it's not even the deep, difficult doctor terminology and medical terms. It's simple questions that receptionists are handling and amazing how how, you know, the AI really needed so much training and didn't understand it out of the box.

So the fact that you guys have already done the hard work and got this thing to where it recognizes that terminology and it's really doing a good job on accuracy, that's just hats off. And I think it's really easy to overestimate how simple that is, you know, to accomplish and how how capable maybe these other, you know, companies might be of of getting there because, you know, the the the only easy code to write is code that somebody else wrote.

That's the thing. Exactly. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Here with Manta, you know, we we have put in that hard work, like you said. We move quick.

We implement feedback from our users all the time. We're constantly working that in.

And we're just trying to build that product that everyone gets value out of and wants to use genuinely.

Yeah. I I think that I met you guys about a year ago. Right?

And just Yeah.

I know. Yeah.

The amount of growth and, you know, perfecting the systems and everything that you have gone through from then and now. I can't believe we've talked about it so much. I hadn't actually even seen the interface.

That it's beautiful. It's really slick. You guys have done a great job there, and I'm a big UX guy. So that's hats off to that.

Let's tell you what. I I know that we've got some people listening here. They're considering, you know, this as a solution for their practice. They're they're a decision maker.

Let's bring it home beyond the time savings.

Mm What's the broader strategic value that Manta is bringing to a practice and how should clinic owners and medical directors be thinking about this investment?

Right. Yeah. Yeah. No. That's a great concern and question that a lot of people it's on a lot of people's minds right now.

So AI is just everywhere these days. It feels like the buzzword in every conversation. But for clinic owners and medical directors, the real question right now isn't whether to adopt AI, but how to implement it responsibly and strategically in your practice.

Here are the key impact areas where AI, when done right, creates concrete measurable value for veterinary practices. So the first is the revenue impact, obviously. That's probably the one that a lot of people care about. We've already talked about the ten hours plus per week of time saved per veterinarian, but let's translate that into revenue opportunity. So if that time saved allows a vet to see just two to three additional patients per day, you're looking at thousands of dollars in additional monthly revenue per doctor for less than two dollars a day.

So one clinic calculated two hundred and four thousand dollars in time savings value. So that's not just efficiency, that's top line growth. So the next thing is clinical quality. So better documentation means better patient care. So all of the staff at a clinic can all work on the same team within MANTA with the same set of templates, so you get a consistent medical record each time. Every clinic has that one doctor that will write a novel for their medical record, then there's that other doctor that writes like two sentences. So this helps to of bring it more towards the middle so you get a consistent medical record every time that everyone expects and can work with.

Manta's AI can generate differential diagnoses like we showed you, provide clinical decision support, and ensure nothing falls through the cracks. So medical directors really appreciate that the quality and the completeness of the medical records improved greatly, which reduces the liability risk and also enhances patient care, with that last point being something that I know that genius vets and many other people care about deeply.

I gotta tell you, that is such a massive issue for us. So we're a marketing company, right? We do meetings all day, every day across the company over Zoom. We're meeting with clients, practice owners, and managers all over the country.

And you know, at at the end of the day, like finding, going in and looking from, you know, one success coach to the next or a developer bill or whatever and then in conversations that they've had, a consultant or whatever and looking for the notes and looking for the history on that, and you just find stuff for one person, another. It's all over the place. And they've done it a little different. They put it little different place.

They do it at different times, like, whatever it was with their notes. So when Yep. We use Fathom, and there's a there's a few of these different, you know, plug ins that join your your Zoom meetings and whatnot and take them The notes for you, absolutely.

I will never take notes again because it is so much better at taking notes than I do. Like, so much better. And Yep. Yep.

And you can find everything. And then now it's consistent across everybody, though, on the whole team. If I ever have questions, I need to go back to notes or see what people are talking about, I mean, it's all right there. And, you know, you can ask it questions, and it reformats just like what you guys are doing.

It's it it is so game changing. If if we get nothing else out of AI, a commission accomplished business.

You know? Oh, those are a godsend. Yep.

It's all about operational efficiency. Right? So it's like you're freeing up your cognitive load, which we kinda alluded to earlier to, like, you can focus on the actionable stuff that came out of that meeting, not what was said. It's the same thing with Manta, right?

So it just improves the clinic flow, helps at every single level of the organization. So if you don't have record backlog, it means you're like optimizing schedules and actually sticking to them, which often is a real problem. You get faster service, more, improved client satisfaction, more consistent notes like Adam talked about. We even have multilingual capabilities, so you can kind of open up the communication lines with more diverse clientele.

We've seen that here in the San Diego Humane Society where they have an English speaking doctor go in and talk to a Spanish speaking client with their multilingual technician and just have manta recording the whole time. That will translate, transcribe, populate it into not only an English template but a Spanish speaking discharge.

So you know it just offers a whole competitive advantage for clinics that use this kind of software where embracing AI tools now means you're ahead of the curve and if you can efficiently handle the higher caseloads while still maintaining that quality care and importantly like staff wellness and staff retention, you're going to win in this market. That's really what we've seen.

How much is this per doctor?

Sixty dollars a month. That's it.

So it's Dude, this is just ridiculous.

How is every single doctor in the whole industry not using this immediately and taking back their life and improving the notes that they have? That's just seriously. If you, if you're listening to this right now, come on, give it a try, check it out. It's, and they, they get a try under like a trial a month.

Yeah. So there's a built in two week free trial. We're also here as a partner of Genius Vets. We want to help you guys succeed.

We're offering a twenty percent discount on your first three months, so that's a free trial then a discount. So it's even less than less than two hours a day. So it's it's kind of a no brainer for us. You know, anybody that's listening today, we have scheduling links that we can put in the the details of the webinar as well as kind of a discount code.

And any kind of demo would be sort of a walk through, like implementation, how it actually looks at your practice. You know, we just sit down and chat about what your clinic's needs are, how we can get there.

And yeah, I mean, all know there's a lot of strain on the industry and we built Manta to help that save time and make practices more streamlined.

Yeah.

And get some of their life back, you know?

Yeah, exactly. Yep.

That's awesome. It's a great mission you guys have. You're you've obviously executed on it very well which good on you. I mean, to have an idea and to go out and build it and have it be something that's actually like really it's leading the industry in in a in a several very important ways.

You know, from from accuracy to also being the among the lowest cost, like, incredible.

You guys are doing a fantastic job. So anybody who's listening to this, honestly, right now, we've got a link. There's a link down there. There's a link to the side.

There's a link somewhere on the page that you're looking at. You should be clicking it right now. Go check it out. Give it a try.

And, hey. See what you think. You're not locked into anything. Give it give it a trial.

It's gonna give you back so much of your life, and improve operations.

Adam, Taylor, great job. Super stoked for you guys. I can't wait to see where you take it from here. Thanks for spending a little time with us today.

Yeah. Thank you so much for having us, David. We appreciate it.

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